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Ww3 might happen at this point
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Howdy there I to am a fellow mainland American and as @Trump15024 pointed out the mainland US will most likely never be directly attacked by any country especially one with a military as lacking of Iran. Trump's claim of possible attacks on cultural sites is in lessen terms disgusting a move that terrorist groups like Isis and Al Qaeda both used in invasions and conquering of the territories but most likely he is playing the "madman" card. Used by both by Reagan in the cold war and greatly by Nixon in Vietnam you essentially want to to convince your enemy you must just be crazy enough to actually attack or use weapons most would not in an effort to discourage future conflict. It's effectiveness is questionable but I would assume President Trump understands the basics of international law. Iran is a country that can not directly attack US forces as they understand our military mite in a direct conflict would decimate them militarily but what they have proven to be an effective tool for over a decade now is the use of state backed militias or as America deems it "State Backed Terrorism".
Hey there I would like to add on to this a little. Iran technically speaking is not a Theocracy they have a president but they also have the Supreme leader who essentially is the religious president both coordinate closely so yes they are technically not a Theocracy but the closest country in the world at this time to one. Soleimani certainly an enemy of America a man with the blood of hundreds of US soldiers killed and thousands injured a mastermind of many militia backed plots against US instillation across the middle East so any 'imminent threat' continually being spoken of is simply absurd he has been successfully planning and executing attacks on US troops for almost his entire time in service with Iran Obama and Bush both had opportunities to kill him and choose not with the risk of political fallout of killing a national hero. (source: https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-obama-bush-and-bibi-all-passed-on-killing-qassem-soleimani ) As you pointed out Iran will certainly take advantage of all methods of non-direct attacks against America election influence and Iranian backed militias I would agree they will certainly do so but here is my question Iran as the news reports launched missile strikes against joint US-Iraqi airbases casualties as of 8:51 PM EST for US troops are reported as 0 is this attack not justifiable for the killing of what you said to be there equivalent of a "Secretary of Defense." We take out one of there top military leaders yet expect for them to kill no US troops in response and if they do are willing to retaliate by killing greater numbers of there troops? Any country who has a military leader killed is FULLY JUSTIFIED in retaliation resulting in the deaths of that foreign power which killed the leader. Iran is not a good country, they have a long list of human rights violations and are stuck in ancient times where woman are inferior to men and people should not be free of strict religious laws which govern the lands. That being said Iraq's parliament voted to remove US troops from the country yet we refuse to remove our troops, Parliament the great cornerstone of democracy the greatest representation of what the people in the country want yet we say their people are wrong and we should stay. Soleimani landed in Baghdad the capital of Iraq without interference it is obvious that the Iranian general had a backing in Iraq or he simply would not land in the capital city preparing to travel around. Here's the hit Iraq (shown in the parliamentarian vote and Iraqi citizens helping to surround embassy) does not like the USA and Iran does not like the USA they want us gone we should leave. We are trying to control a people from across an ocean while the inequality of woman is simply put wrong, bullets and bombs will not change that and only once the people or Iran and Iraq realize themselves everyone should be equal will it happen, a foreign power simply can not change the minds of people with it's military the military is meant to kill, capture and destroy not control. The United States needs to learn from their mistakes why does Iran hate us? A joint British MI-6 and CIA named Operation Ajax in which we toppled the peoples ruler Mohammad Mossadeq of Iran and instilled the Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi who had been put in power after WW2 and Soviet occupation of the country. Why do such a move well the Shah was friendly towards a British oil company while Mohammad Mossadeq instead wanted to nationalize the company making the profits greater for Iran, a man wanting more for his own country and less foreign trade....sounds familiar. We toppled the rightful regime reinstalled the Shah who was our choice as western powers and while he did do some good (in the eyes of the west) in the form of the "White Revolution" increasing the private sector and giving women voting rights it was orchestrated by foreign powers and Iran rightfully so felt violated. Eventually an economic boom attributed to oil led to corruption and inequality the Shah used secret police forces to violently maintain power until finally being overthrown January 16, 1979 where he left the country (https://greyartgallery.nyu.edu/2015/12/a-brief-history-of-20th-century-iran/ ) source. We violated a country's sovereignty and since then have chosen Saudi Arabia as our ally of choice in the Middle East leaving Iran to follow nuclear agreements set by us with little understanding of what they want.
For the summary America is a foreign power which interfered in a country's democracy something we have done many times before and rightfully so Iran is upset and has been for nearly 50 years as the US continues to favor other allies in the region (Iraq, Saudi Arabia) and leave Iran to follow our guidelines and agreements with little respect for what they want. Even with the voting of Iraq's parliamentarian telling us they want us to leave we think we know best as the United States. America is in the wrong clear as that our military has been in Iraq for nearly two decades yet we have achieved no stability for ourselves shown in attack on the embassy. We can not dictate what other country's should do and follow morally or ethically by occupying the country with a destructive military force that only gives Iran more justification to fight the foreign invaders, the foreign invaders being America.
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i love how this equality thing works now its fantasticWhat's rights? All I know is how to make casseroles
Holy moly!
We already know, America is a very strong nation and it'll be fine lol
LMAO me and riles were joking around. I do support women helping in wars. We would have a stronger army even if the women were nurses, helped make guns, etc. Of course women could fight themselves too. That's my opinion
I mean, equality is they should fight, men should be nurses too
Well.....I think we all know by now that trump is kinda stupid.I also live in america, and im considering moving.
But guys.
The worst thing that could ever happen ,would be if the war started.Because.People would stop playing on the server!Cause there a war.Who cars if hundreds of thousands are dying!WE wouldn't play on the server!
But guys.
The worst thing that could ever happen ,would be if the war started.Because.People would stop playing on the server!Cause there a war.Who cars if hundreds of thousands are dying!WE wouldn't play on the server!
Uh guys.I have a very realistic theory.I bet Trump is one of two things.He is actually trump, or hes like the head of the american miltarty.Do you here this!He sounds like a pro!This is kinda scary like i mentioned earlier, maybe hes batman.I Don't want to DIEEE!I
Honestly, my opinion is simply this.Trump should have gotten permission from our government. Then, they wait until he is back in Iran.Finally, they dont do a bombing, they simply shoot him.Only one death, less political drama with Iraq.The only problem left is that we killed him.Then, we proceed station our troops out and break them back to America.Iran wouldn't dare attack us, they have no reason to attack Iraq, and everyone is fine.They argue it out over what they did, and everything is over.Honestly, Trump should just NOT BE STUPID>.
I agree that they should fight and men should be nurses. I only say most/some women should participate with things other than fighting since they are typically not as strong. Yes equality is good but men are usually stronger and that's why I think the army should be mostly guys. It sounds bad but I do have a point.
trump's actions over his term and his plans for the next 4 years scare me so much and honestly im just going to study abroad bc i can't stand america to begin with but i'm not about to get nuked by north korea and slaughtered by iran !!!
Don't worry @jazz450 the United States has a sophisticated missile defense with some of the best technology in the world to prevent any nuclear attack. Not to say the system has it's faults but North Korea understands launching nukes at the US would be mutually assured destruction and silly for any leader especially one with an power hunger as strong as Kims to launch missiles and lose everything.
I would like to make some notes here regarding the status of war.
First off, it is extremely unlikely that Trump will start any type of war that necessitates a draft before his reelection, as that would tank his chances. Second, the missile strikes from Iran were launched with both the knowledge and intent that American troops would not be harmed. It was simply a move to save face, and the U.S. has thus far made no mention of retaliation. Of course, there are tensions and insults and threats are being thrown back and forth, but keep in mind that MOST THREATS ARE NOT CARRIED OUT, as doing so would be cataclysmic for both factions. Iran itself did NOT, contrary to popular belief, put an $800,000 price on the president's head, and the words of one angry MP are not to be taken as the unanimous consensus of the Iranian government. There is nothing to be worried about regarding a third world war, and I'm sick and tired of people stoking fears regarding it. There are more realistic issues to worry about than fantasies like a global thermonuclear conflict, or even a proxy war. And if you're worried about getting drafted, remember that we have 1.3 million active and 865,000 reserve personnel, one for every 37 people in Iran, and a far superior military. We do not need to instate a draft to win a war.
There are a million reasons not to start a proxy war, and even more reasons to not launch nukes. You live on the mainland of the only superpower in the world, and are separated by the largest continent and ocean on the planet from Iran. The Iranian military lacks the technology to target the U.S. mainland, and currently possesses no nuclear weapons (though that may soon change due to our walking out on the nuclear deal). While I don't think it was a good idea to back out of the nuclear deal, then proceed to kill an important (Albeit terribly unethical) official, I have my doubts that anything
Also, I would recommend getting your news from a less biased source, like BBC. Much of mainstream media (Fox, CNN), has quite a bit of dramatization and bias.
I agree with much of what you say here, I've just got a few little things to point out.
-Iran is not a theocracy. By definition, a theocracy is a government where (a) priest(s) rule in the name of god. While it does have some aspects of the very religious caliphate style governments, and while the entire government does have a very strong religious influence, by definition it is a flawed republic in which the supreme leader appoints those who appoint him (Effectively making him an autocrat, similar to Russia's upper parliamentary chamber being appointed by the President, which in turn appoints the prime minister, who appoints the president)
-China's economy is doing well. While yes, growth is slowing down, and they may not be headed for the position as superpower as previously thought, it is still growing by about 6%. Compare that to the U.S' 2%, an already strong figure, and you have a strong economy. Slowing economic growth is not an indicator of a weakening economy, as we can see with the EU, Japan, etc. You are totally right that they would be hesitant to intervene, however, as their military is still far from up to par with modern ones, and they need all the money they can get to continue to modernize it.
- We will never launch ICBMs at Iran unless they perform a nuclear strike first, which is currently impossible with their military technology. They, like all nuclear weapons, are simply a deterrent. ICBMs would serve no purpose if we were actually attacked, as any confrontation exceeding conventional military firepower would be apocalyptic regardless of what we do.
- If a draft is not necessary, or if the president is reelected, a proxy war is very much possible. Russia and China both fueled a proxy war in Vietnam, as both knew that they weren't actually risking a war with the U.S. (Mutually Assured Destruction, or M.A.D. for short, has been what defines diplomacy between nuclear adversaries since the dawn of the cold war).
I agree with the rest of what you say though. It would be foolish for Iran to attack the United States directly. It's in both our and Iran's best interests to de-escalate this, to prevent any further blood from being shed on either side. American or Iranian, a death is still a death regardless and if it can be avoided it should be.
Everyone is saying Trump is doing scary stuff but in reality he is defending us from a country who has been harassing us for years. Don't believe me? Look it up. Don't jump on the bandwagon and say you hate Trump. He isn't the greatest president but he certainly isn't the worst. Nobody should be afraid of war right now. I would be scared if Russia or another country attacked us, but that's not happening.
The United States needs to learn from their mistakes why does Iran hate us? A joint British MI-6 and CIA named Operation Ajax in which we toppled the peoples ruler Mohammad Mossadeq of Iran and instilled the Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi who had been put in power after WW2 and Soviet occupation of the country. Why do such a move well the Shah was friendly towards a British oil company while Mohammad Mossadeq instead wanted to nationalize the company making the profits greater for Iran, a man wanting more for his own country and less foreign trade....sounds familiar. We toppled the rightful regime reinstalled the Shah who was our choice as western powers and while he did do some good (in the eyes of the west) in the form of the "White Revolution" increasing the private sector and giving women voting rights it was orchestrated by foreign powers and Iran rightfully so felt violated. Eventually an economic boom attributed to oil led to corruption and inequality the Shah used secret police forces to violently maintain power until finally being overthrown January 16, 1979 where he left the country (https://greyartgallery.nyu.edu/2015/12/a-brief-history-of-20th-century-iran/ ) source.
Most of the issues of the entire middle east developed after the Ottoman empire collapsed at the end of WW1 and the territory was divided up between Britain, France, Greece and Russia with no regard to the very apparent ethnic and religious boundaries within the country. The western world created the issues after WW1 and we still refuse to accept that by messing in other country's affairs for our greed we will never help anyone.
I would like to note I think it's great everyone has kept differing opinions with each other so civil it's a lacking skill in the real world and especially one not commonly found online it's allowed for a lot of new viewpoints for me that I did not see originally, thanks y'all.